Cancelled bids do earn you money

9:30 am announcements, explanation

One of the most common questions we get at our customer service address goes something like this:

“Hi! I like your service, but I’ve noticed that many bidders cancel bids before they expire. Does that mean they’re ripping me off, because they don’t have to pay when they cancel a bid?”

The short answer is “No, as a publisher you earn money every second a bid is displayed on your site“. And as an advertiser, you’re charged every second your bid is the high bidder. These charges happen every few seconds and are credited (or charged) to your account automatically.

The longer answer is that, although we discuss advertising in terms of cost per day (ie: how much it costs to have your ad on a site for an entire day), bids don’t have to last a full day. We actually charge bidders every few seconds to the nearest 1/100th of a second, so there’s no way anyone can gain anything by cancelling a bid: it just prevents future charges.

For example, if someone bids your ad box up to $24 a day and sits there for an hour before cancelling, then we will charge them $1.00. On our site, the values we show are rounded to the nearest cent, but if you hold your mouse over the “current profits” number (if you’re a publisher) or the “current expense” number (if you’re an advertiser), you’ll see the a less-rounded version.

As most of you know, we do allow bidders (and publishers) to cancel any bid at any time. Often bidders will try out a site for a bit to see the performance. When a bid is cancelled, there’s no way anyone is gaming the system or not paying anything – they still have to pay for the time they were up. In addition, our campaign system will sometimes cancel bids as it manages the campaign: that’s probably where most of these cancelled bids are coming from!

But I’m not just posting this to clear this issue up. Over the past few weeks, we’ve made changes to the site to try to make this more clear to our members, but nevertheless, this question still arrives in our in box once in a while. Much less frequently, granted, but still enough for it to be noticable! I think it’s time to admit that maybe the word “cancelled” wasn’t the right choice: it has connotations of “undo” to it, a sense of “oh, wait, wait, I take this back”.

We’re considering renaming the “cancelled” status to something a bit more clear: “Expired early” is our current favourite, but we’re open to alternatives! If you have any suggestions, feel free to post them in the comments, with our thanks. And you can expect to see the current naming of the “cancelled” status to be “expired early” in the near future.

7 Responses

  1. Patric Says:

    I truly love how the cost and profit are computed. I agree with you, truly it is the most fair system. By charging up to the minute seconds, basically the cancelled bids will not really be considered as a rip off to the publisher. I like the expired bid, it has a more positive tone to it…very nice project wonderful! I really love your system and I am so happy that I discovered this service.

  2. Mohammed Says:

    Thanks for the post, I was wondering about this earlier today.

  3. Xerol Says:

    I think “Ended Early” works better than “Expired”.

  4. Seannon Says:

    How about Paused?

    If they can re-start the bid, it’s more accurate and not likely to cause publishers to panic the way cancel seems to.

  5. Vance Says:

    I have a feeling, from the looks of the users who constantly retract bids and then put them in again on my site, that people are fishing. If earlier bids expire, they basically get a better price with the rebid. The system is pretty abuse-able.

  6. Ryan Says:

    Hi Vance!

    When someone retracts a bid and places it again, they’re not getting anything for free. If someone else’s earlier bid has expired, they’re getting advertising for a cheaper price than they were before, but what’s important is that it’s the exact same price they’d be getting it they’d left their bid intact throughout. And if an earlier bid hasn’t expired, they’re getting it for the same price they would otherwise.

    In no situation does cancelling a bid and then placing it again guarantee you a lower price, so there’s really not any potential for abuse there. I believe what you’re seeing is the result of campaigns, which may place a bid for a few hours on a site, cancel it to move the bid elsewhere, and then move it back when circumstances on that other ad box have changed.

    I hope this helps!

  7. Vance Says:

    Hello Ryan. Color me skeptical, but an hour-then-retract on two cents a day nets me what now? Consistent e-mails from PW letting me know my ad box is about to be suspended.

    I’ve made a dollar and forty-one cents in all this time, so I’m thinking I have to move the ads elsewhere until PW removes the retractions, at least under a certain amount. I think that’s more than reasonable.

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